Monday, May 28, 2012

A-17 Paladin - Limited Edition

A-17 Paladin:  Weapons Class
Real name:  A-10 Thunderbolt


A-17 Paladin

The A-17 Paladin has returned once again.  The Paladin is best in class in armor and cannon damage.  The Paladin is also great at missile lock (better than Hawken) and equal to Hawken for missile reload (I like to use the Hawken as a point of comparison for weapons class, if you haven't noticed).  The only negative, when compared to the Hawken, is that the Paladin does not pack any additional missile damage and more importantly, is much less agile than a Hawken.  

Overall, the Paladin is great if you like a heavily armored cannon tank - its weakness is that it is easy to outmaneuver if you go up against agility class planes or the Hawken, Red Widow, or Sentinel of the weapons class.  I will give Z2 credit though, they have accurately reflected the real life characteristics of the A-10 well in the Paladins stats (which is more than I can say for many of the other planes).

See PLANE COMPARISON TABLES for detailed assessment of all the planes performance ratings.


Real life shot of an A-10

Underbelly of a fully loaded A-10

Click here for more real life shots of an A-10 Thunderbolt

61 comments:

  1. I just had a chance to try out the Paladin, so I'll share my reviews here :)
    This little rusty plane is not that bad as I though in the beginning it published. I found the bonus cannon damage rather handy in boring matches only, but with no bonus overall damage, nor bonus missile damage/missile tracking, this plane lacks the any kind of advantage on missiles comparing to other weapon class.
    However, the agility (the "feel of agility" when you fly it, not the stated agility in the shop. Later will be known as FOA here) of this plane can still reach the level of FOA in Wraith, which is good. If wraith has bonus 5% FOA, then I'd say Paladin has 6/7%.
    Another thing is that the bonus armor can really help aces to prove what is skill in this version. You can actually survive 2 waves of lancer h2h spam and still get 10% armor left. But, as I said, no advantage on missiles (reload speed is no where near the title of "advantage" in my view), rely more on the cannon if you fly his plane.

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  2. Hmmm, re-released again this plane. Doesn't the Sentinel have more damage because it says +17 Damage but Paladin is +15 Cannon Damage. Does the damage include the cannon damage in the Sentinel? I'm confused.

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    1. You do know that this padilain was the first a10 Ms made it was the warhog that was re-skinned... How % work. Each class has a certain % for standard stats, the %s you see before you buy is the amount added to the standard stats. Now if the sentinal has 17% damage it's added to both the missle and cannon stat, but in the padilain it's only 15% added to the cannon damage stat. Get it now?

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  3. You're right. When this review on the A-17 Paladin has been published the FA-230 Sentinel wasn't available. In the meantime the Sentinel has become the strongest aircraft for cannon damage also as the benefit towards damage of +17% refers to both, the missiles and the cannon.

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  4. Get a A-17 Paladin. I'm flying an A-17 fully upgraded. Get free coins to buy upgrades. It's the best method... Anyway... The Paladin's +11% armor and boosted lock speed is extremely helpful in "line up to other pilot head to head and fire everything" battles. It also is great in "loopy chase each other battles" too. Just the other day, I took out a Green Eagle 3-2 with my Paladin with an Osiris cannon and AIM Lancers.

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  5. This plane is the most powerful and most threatening plane I can imagine. I used to be an agility class fanatic, only using the Thresher and Reaper so I could easily out maneuver the enemy. When this Paladin came out, I was skeptical since I had many a weapons class and defense class planes that just sit in my hangar and rust because they are too slow for my tastes. When I finally swallowed my pride and bought this plane, I upgraded it fully like an idiot in hopes that this plane was different. Holy crap was I right, I'm not sure if its the 'illusion of agility' or if this plane really does have some better agility somewhere in its upgrades but now my thresher and reaper are collecting rust while this rust bucket is earning me more one-sided wins than I could ever believe. The armor on this plane is exactly what I've been looking for, since many matches end up having bisnovats being fired at me. This plane (according to a match I had against a Sentinel) can survive three waves of bisnos, meaning I can handle getting hit with 5 bisnos until I blow up as opposed to the reaper that blows up after 3. I use RAM's and Banshee cannon's as my choice of weaponry. I fought against a Reaper recently and somehow I managed to handle all the landed hits and finishing with a victory of 1-0. Not very proud but it's acceptable considering its like racing a mini-van against a Ferrari. Against the common and cliche Hawken, this plane is twice as good in my mind. - Der Rote Baron

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    1. Your Imagination is Not Fact Based.... Paladin is Not even Hurricane or Tigris ...Let alone the mights of Sentinel,Liberty Eagle or Hawken.. In Attck its Ranked 6th and in Defense 8th From TOP..... Dont waste your money just for the Looks !!! you saviour of Money.. Cheers Champ.

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    2. shut up. the missile reload, combined with armor and cannon damage cannot be beat. do you think a single standard issue will kill any plane? will +17 damage make it so much more lethal?

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    3. Any fully upgraded weapon class plane can survive 6-7 bisnos or lancers. My widow and many enemie's hawkens did it many times. Especially enemy planes lol.

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  6. What's the cost of this plane?

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    1. Last time it came out it was 230, but I'm sure it'll be 205 like other planes when it comes out in a few weeks time

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    2. I remembered it was 180 once, then 230 and now 205. Z2live is ripping people off like they did with the rath.

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  7. Z2!!! PLEASE BRING BACK THE GREEN EAGLE!!! YOU'VE BROUGHT BACK THE MAKO WHICH WAS "TOO FAST" FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP UP WITH. THEN YOU RELEASED THE REAPER WHICH WAS EVEN FASTER SO WHY NOT BRING BACK THE GREEN BEAST?

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    1. The thing is, no matter how agile agility class aircrafts are, weapons class aircraft can still do 1000 backflips, and wait until the agility class aircraft runs out of energy and move in for the kill. However, if you've met a fully upgraded dragon in combat, or a m-11 raven, you'll know how hard it is to kill defense class aircraft with extra armor regeneration. Personally, as a standard issue agility class pilot with over 5000 skill rating, I've never killed a single dragon, or m-11 more than once. Now consider doubling the armor regeneration- then you have a green eagle. Agility class aircraft are very competitive. Although they are very fast and agile, the have weak armor which makes the game fair. However, since the dragon and m-11 are already extremely hard to kill. A plane with double that armor is just too much. I understand that defense class aircraft should be hard to kill, but that is why we have the dragon- having the green eagle just tips the scale

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    2. Do agree with you.
      The Green Eagle is not good for the game, Dragon is enough.
      If they released it again, that may be to get people to buy Bisnos
      If you have standard or even coin ammos, it's pretty hard to blow up a Green Eagle and you have not choice but to expose yourself to achieve it. If the guy has Bisnos you re done.

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  8. i wud still buy the green eagle even if its 500 blue coins!

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  9. I would buy it for 1000 coins, really

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  10. is everyone ese getting the paladin POP UP priced at 230 coins, while it's priced at 205 coins inside the hangar / showroom ? ? Or am I the only lucky one to have this POP UP - Booby Trap ????

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    1. Yeah, I had the exact same problem of touching the wrong area of the screen and then having that damned pop-up show up right where I didn't want it.

      I've reported the bug to Tapjoy and hope they'll respond to it.

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    2. at least its not as bad as when the tigris was released. the pop-up for it came so often! i have already heard about 3 people on this forum who accidentally bought it. anyway, i think it is 230 coins in the pop-up for everybody, but 205 in the hangar.

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  11. yea go ahead waste ur coins on this plane, it's a garbage plane anyways! and make sure it's fully upgraded. And equip it with bisnovat/lancer/vympel and meteor like most weapon pilots do and still getting pwned all the time...and don't forget the amazing 24/7 backflip.

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  12. We love you green eagle! please come to daddy with lots of booby trap.

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  13. Green eagle would reck metalstorm. Each match you use 100 bisnovats on the green eagle spending a dozen pound a day!

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    1. why r u so afraid of? bring it on!

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  14. I am doing the stuff on my account on tapjoy.com and I dont get the blue coins. I download and run the game but still no coins.!

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  15. This toilette plane doesn't like to anyone, put back the green eagle

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  16. Nobody wants this shit! Give us some new plane!

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  17. viper guy, stop multiple posting and put it all in one post. "Nobody wants this shit! Give us some new plane!" is not appropriate. i personally don't care abou the paladin at all, but some people might want it. think of it as a time to collect more coins from tapjoy.

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    1. The Paladin is being re released all the time! Come on Z2. Bring out some rarer or new planes.

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  18. Green eagle back! Nonsense. If they bring it back all the noobs and hackers will get it and arm it with 20000 bisnovats! This game would get recked
    Any way how come I don't get the blue coins after I do the downloads from tapjoy.com

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    1. Once you download the app, you also have to run it. Most apps take about 2 minutes of running time to give you your reward. However. Biggerfish games often require extended periods of time. For Biggerfish games, just open up the app before you take a shower (or sometime), and come back like 20 minutes later. This usually works, though sometimes the coins are delayed a bit. In addition, notifications from metalstorm wingman telling you've received your coins only work sometimes, so you don't really have to wait until you see the notification ( sometimes you will see it, other times not). Of course, there are always 1 or 2 apps that you don't get coins for- I never really know why, but it is not worth getting 2-15 coins if you need to bug z2 support with emails

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  19. I think there have been several interesting planes those last weeks:
    -the Tigris and the Iron Fang, which tend to be atypical in their class and somewhat versatile. Maybe an interesting way for Zi2Live to design some new planes for the future.
    -the Rath, which is a top notch agility plane
    -the Marauder, which made some happy guys
    -the Dragon that many guys (like me) were waiting for

    Some planes, like the Paladin or the Mako, are not really crap, but honestly, I would not spend a bunch of credits and coins to buy and upgrade them as there are several planes with oviously better statistics in their class. Maybe the Paladin look may draw your eye...
    But now guys, it's time for to be serious and release... the RED WIDOW!!!!

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    1. i agree. i have coins waiting for that red beast to get released again.

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    2. i agree as well but i probably need several weeks to get 180 coins. Lets hope they don't change it to 205 or 230 coins like they did with the rath.

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  20. If it's not yet obvious to you guys, Z2Live has no plans to make the Red Widow a featured plane in this version, along with the Green Eagle, Sabre and Viper. Limited time featured planes have their schedules and what the region trick does is bypass that schedule so they're all shown. Planes that do not show with that method are effectively discontinued. The next plane we'll see will probably be the Zephyr.

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    1. You may be right but some said that a new version was coming next week after the Paladin.
      But one question: last week the Marauder was re-released ; are you sure that it was available through the Saudi/Thailand trick the days before or did it appear de novo?
      I'm fed up with the shits they release one after the other, week to week.

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    2. the marauder was available through the Saudi trick a day before z2live released it

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    3. Not sure about the Marauder actually. My guess is that they didn't plan to re-release it long before they did.

      Seems to me like they have 3 options to control the availability of each plane - permanent, scheduled and discontinued - and they could change these at any time. The region/calendar trick shows all planes except those that are discontinued.

      Don't take my word for it, but that's what seems logical to me. They're going to discontinue the Hurricane soon; check how it shows on the Saudi trick once they've announced its end date / the timer shows up.

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    4. well, the new Q and A on the official website says the RED WIDOW, sabre, marauder, and dragon WILL be rereleased.

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  21. I would only accept green eagle back if it was 5+ regen instead of 10. Then I wouldn't mind it. It still would have its evasion and so on...

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  22. Does anyone think it's a good idea?

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  23. Just got this plane, it's quite expensive, but I needed a good weapons class, and this is it. The plane is so satisfying when you are with a wartusk, co-op or against, because you are just superior to them, I haven't upgraded it much, so as of yet there is 1 problem with it, it is just a weapons class, and is so sluggish, but it might just be me, because I usually get agility classes.

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  24. You could off got this plane 5 months ago and even more before not do sure through the Thailand trick back then. Paladin is nothing impressing

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  25. How did you guys find out about the Thailand and Saudi trick?and how long can I keep version 4.1.1 after the new update is released?

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    1. It's difficult to know who is the first to know these trick, maybe a guy who lives in Thailand. ; )

      After a new version comes out, you can use the old version for maximum 5 - 7 days before game server blocks you from playing, unless you update. So if you're saving credits for Marauder or Dragon, be quick! The new version will definitely fix the trick.

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    2. Does anybody know exactly when the next update will come? After this week end maybe? Any ideas about the changes and improvements involved (I m not talking about hopes and dreams, there is a topic for this)?

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    3. Has anyone considered that someone HACKED the game making it so that they are getting planes that aren't available and the epic Metalstormfan1 discovered it and posted it here? And z2 probably blocked it the person did it with Saudi Arabia.

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  26. Hey guys, I find myself in need of some help. The thing is, I was matched up with some Darth Vawter guy, his icon was an American flag but his plane did not show up. At first I thought the game was glitching out until I saw his plane. I cannot fully remember if I saw it before but it looked exactly like the Raider or Iron Fang in design but it had the nose fins like the Annihilator or Eagle. It's colour was like the Paladin. If any of you know what this plane is called please reply to this post.

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    1. Sounds like the Stilleto.

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    2. Wait, if the plane didn't show up then it could've been the Ice Wolf.

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  27. Hey guys, I find myself in need of some help. The thing is, I was matched up with some Darth Vawter guy, his icon was an American flag but his plane did not show up. At first I thought the game was glitching out until I saw his plane. I cannot fully remember if I saw it before but it looked exactly like the Raider or Iron Fang in design but it had the nose fins like the Annihilator or Eagle. It's colour was like the Paladin. If any of you know what this plane is called please reply to this post.

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  28. It seems that I'm now the unfortunate owner of this unimpressive thing.

    I had accidentally bought this because of that annoying pop-up screen coming up EVERY TIME I went back to the menu. Now I got a reply from Z2 saying 'oh we can't do anything about it... you're screwed!'

    Seriously I am so f****** angry! I absolutely do NOT want this plane and demand to get my 205 coins back! I am going to keep contacting Z2 customer support until they fix this problem.

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  29. I had the same thing happen. Pissed. No better than the wraith I already have. We should be given a choice to so no thanks and be left alone.

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  30. It's my plane of choice and in my opinion, the most enjoyable plane I have flown. I use gold coin weapons only; win 3/5 on average.

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    1. y use coin weapons seriously
      btw r u a [FAF]

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  31. Me and my friend came up with a great idea for the Paladin. It would change it to a defense class with +15% armor, +5% agility, -50% missile damage, +10% dmg resistance. Now, before u say that plane would suck, we came up with an idea to have a special cannon that would be +20% damage, +20% range, +15% cool down, AND triple xp multiplier

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  32. the winged serpants has some of these planes.

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  33. Aven the Raven PilotAugust 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    I will try and share my opinion on the Paladin.
    First of all, let's just say when you first look at the stats, you might crave this plane. but when you get it, much of your craving is gone.
    I like to test it in survival mode for 2 or 3 rounds before I come to a conclusion. In the first round, let's just say I didn't survive much longer as a guy flying a falcon. I got up to wave 12 before the missile salvos they throw at you take me out. The next 2 rounds weren't much better either, with the highest wave being wave 13.
    So, my conclusion states that if you want a cannon tank, you've got one with the Paladin sitting around. But if you try out this plane after you try out defense class planes, you may not like it at all.

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  34. If any plane should have been added as a defense class, it's the A-10. And what did they do? They made it weapons class. Okay, maybe that works... still, I think it would have been better with those same stats except defense class.

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    1. Yeah, i know a bit about the A10, its heavy on the guns, heavier on the armor, so a defense class would make more sense, but with some damage bonus. Id like to see the winged serpents a10 get released... They look cool.

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  35. I have a fully upgraded red widow, liberty, iron fang, red dragon, condor and paladin- i fly my paladin the most! Just to shock players that they've just gotten their asses kicked by a paladin with RAAMS! i have fucked up eagles, hawkens, demons, threshers and reapers with NO problems! Respect this beast, learn to master it, and i promise it'll make ya proud to fly it!!!

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